Especially late in the ’80s, we couldn’t put enough on our bodies, or get our hair or our shoulders big enough, or the earrings big enough. And when I look back on that, my goodness. … There is a shot of me presenting at the Emmys. Actually, Oprah Winfrey and I must have been doing something together — I don’t know how they got me on the screen. Between my hair and that dress, I had everything on known to man at the time — it was awful!